Reynolds roasts hot dog cart idea

" If the business in question were paying more taxes, it would be O.K. . One more example of the slow death of free enterprise in Lake City. So much for just trying to make a living. Hey Reynolds. It's called competition. Who are tou to decide who get competed against. Smells fishy to me. "

" come on now, do you really think a hot dog stand is going to take business away from the resturants in town. i think this is just what the park needs for a finishing touch. but then again this town does not know how to do anything good or bring any good business, only let plaza's be built to have useless business' move in and close up with in the year only to leave another vacant place. look around and open your eyes lake city. "

" I think the city manager made the right decision regarding the hot dog vendor in Olustee Park, with respect to fairness to the restaurants and food service companies with high overhead. Maintaning a healthy downtown is important to Lake City's wellbeing. It does seem that consideration could be given for after hours on a special occassion basis--like the 'thank goodness it's Friday' events. [I have no vested interest here] "

" His Majesty Reynolds has spoken. Please refrain from questioning the all knowing King of Lake City. Besides look at the economic burden those hot dog carts have placed on major cities like New York etc.... If you work or play in down town Lake City and want to sit in the park and have a hot dog, then bring your own. Lucky thing those elected officials don't have to take such an over whelming task. "

" HEY, WAKE UP, FREE ENTERPRISE WENT OUT THE WINDOW AT THE STROKE OF YOUR PIN. COMPITION IS A WAY FO LIFE IN BUISNESS. "

" I for one, believe free enterprise is alive and well.
Awarding of public property to an individual to advance free entereprise is a way of giving away tax dollars to advance an individals hot dog buisness without them paying for it as all others have to do upon establishing a buisness.
What is wrong with the hot dog vender paying their own way in this free enterprise?? "

" let the man sell his hot dogs, rules were ment to be met, wifh understanding by
each individual and city officical, that's why taxes are paid , people need to be heard and not smothered/////////////////// "

" The hot-dog vendor forgot to kiss the ring of Jim Poole and company, I.e. Gina Reynolds, the ring tailed wonder of the C of C. The idea that a hot-dog vendor would have an impact on downtown restaurants is absurd. It would probably help the throngs of people on court day who can not afford to eat where Scott Reynolds may eat (Chastain's). I think the hot-dog vendors should unite and hire girls in bathing suits to sell hot-dogs around town...LOL...That would put a crimp in the old lunch crowd! Scott Reynolds appear somewhat short-sighted in his effort to protect cronies and others. The whole charm of kiosk-related vendors would make a great addition to the shops in downtown, of course excluding tatoo and related businesses. I guess "King Reynolds" does not want his new castle to be near hot-vendors. Reynolds needs to contact Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville and other cities and let his conterparts know what a scourge kiosk vendors are to the local economy. The other cities must have it all wrong. "

" OMG, let's start a major debate here...the city has done alot to revitalize the dowtown area. And honestly, is there really enough foot traffic during the day to support a hotdog booth? I know that there's alot of traffic due to the courthouse & offices, but most of them aren't going to scarf a dog from a cart. Wise up and find something else to whine about. "

" M Kadel, the hot dog stand is a wonderful addition to a park area. The VA Hospital parking lot would be a great place for your hot dog stand. If you wish i will address your needs at my next address to the public needs.
I am glad this isue came up at this time of the year. Vets and their familys can use you. "

" Several people seem to have an issue with this (or just like to complain about things). Would seem to me that the City Manager probably received input from members of the Downtown Action Corporation before allowing someone to set-up a for profit business on city property. The DAC has done a lot of good work (and unappreciated by many) in keeping the downtown area up. The city does not need to open the door to allow peddlers to sell their goods from push carts in the downtown area. If the city were to allow such a business anywhere in the city, I would hope that the business would be subject to all of the other fees associated with setting up a business (not saying the current fees are fair or not, just that he should be subject to the same rules). The thought of a quaint hotdog stand seems innocent enough. But, do we really want to open the door to all of the other requests that may come in to set-up shop in Olustee Park or other public areas? "

" I take issue with all free loaders!

To think a free loader is trying to cause an issue of using public Parks to advance his/her own greedy scheam.

To BILL, Be extra careful, you could step on your fingers. I saw that ring Jim Poole wears, many people would rejoice in remove removing it.
This Gina Reynolds person sounds like a person to count on when the chips are down, maybe you should adjust your thinking cap and look around you for a change.
To Hmmm,
You have provided good logic to this days war of words. I thnak you! "

" IIf downtown businesses are so worried that a Hot Dog vendor on a push cart will have an unfair advantage Over them, then they should sell their store fronts, lower their overhead and move to Olustee Park. Then they Will be successful..

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" I haven’t lived in Lake City for 11 years. I lived in Orlando for several years and out of state for several more before recently moving back. I have to admit the mentality of people in Lake City has gotten a lot better since I left. However, Lake City in general still has a behind the times ignorant mentality. There are still people who some how become leaders that are of no use to anyone. 11 years ago when I left there were the members of the downtown committee (or whatever they are called) that thought they were going to reinvent the downtown area and make a lot of progress for our city.
Well, after being gone for 11 years I don’t see any progress. There are still the same junk stores with the only thing changed about them is their name. Some restaurants have gone out of business and been replaced with ones that nobody has heard of or goes to. The same committee is still trying to make progress.
No one can use the excuse that a hot dog vender will bring unfair competition. The downtown businesses must be competing to see who can get the least about of business because nobody shops downtown. There are no businesses in downtown that are an asset to the community or help the economy. That is why everyone in Lake City goes to Gainesville, Jacksonville, and Valdosta to shop. It was that way when I left and it is still that way. Lake City residents contribute to other cities’ economies instead of our own because we don’t have leaders who are smart enough to make Lake City attractive to businesses that would improve our economy. However, we have so called leaders who will bend over backwards to make the downtown area the way it was back in the 1950’s.
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" I think Bill had a brilliant suggestion regarding the hot dog purveyors uniting and hiring bikini-clad girls to peddle their wares throughout the fair city. Really:
does anyone think that restaurants would lose business? Food stalls in Olustee Park, which I frequented when living in Singapore, might help create an actual downtown in Lake City. "

" I think it would be fun to have a hot dog vendor in the park. Most cities have them in front of downtown government buildings, i.e., city halls, courthouses. Try something new. Good for Mr. Kadel for opting to run this type of operation rather than facing the overhead that the other downtown business owners face. They choose to do this. The city doesn't have the best track record in regards to the park's revitalization endeavor. I miss the old park with its large shady trees and plentiful flora. Let the man sell hot dogs. Or perhaps the city could just build another poorly located, poorly planned, and poorly accessible restroom. "

" Lets get real to the people that stand behind Reynolds decision. Of course there are fee's, most vendors are required to have permits and are subject to inspections just like restaurants. They are required to pay taxes on the sales of goods also. There is no reason why this person should not be allowed to have a cart in the park. The only ones that can afford to eat at the places downtown are the ones making the money. Don't make it easy for us common folk Lake City. "

" Another day brings with it the WOES of Lake City. I am for progress! Freedom of speech is a powerful tool. I feel the heat building over the past management of Lake City's backwoods workshop. I fought for this country in two wars (as they were labled), many of my friends died in those conflicts, i am one of the luck ones and i want to see our small City advance. LETS BE PEOPLE OF WISDOM... I SUPPORT EVERY PERSONS RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR SAY..Lets let the Officials run our city, make the decisions that guide us into the future. I see this comunity being moved from "I'll do buisness my way attitude to doing buisness in a meaningfull organised controlled by laws and regulations that was put into action by many brilient people who over the years have given Lake City a spot on the map, lets let our elected people do their job, not the venders do their job by demanding they have priority without the knowledge of how it will alter the course of Lake City's future. "

" I see an opertunity developing for bystanders to take a punch at Reynolds! When the chips are down, I stand firmly on the side of reasning and Reynolds sounds like a reasonable Leader. I feel we need to acknowledge his leardership qualities and give him a vote of. Job well done. "

" How, in this instance, is Reynolds a reasonable leader? According to the news article, the hot dog vendor met all the cities ordnances to operate his hot dog stand, but was denied because in Reynolds opinion it was unfair to the business owners, who choose to rent property at a higher rate. So what if McDonalds is paying higher rent then Hardy's; to be fair should Reynolds close down Hardy’s. I'm not sure, but I would venture to guess that the hot dog vendor would have a good court case against Reynolds for denying his application based on some arbitrary opinion that really had no basis in law.
I say we should start a fund raiser in order to raise money for the hot dog vendor, so he can pursue proper legal action.
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" To, Chief & Senior Chief, As leaders you both know we stand for Ideal conditions. This leaves us facing unsure venders. Given that Reynolds saw downtown as a project ongoing with uncertain conditions surrounding its growth. To allow a Hot Dog vender freedom to start a trend in the developing are of no value to the vender to use the Park at this time and was a wise decision. I feel this vender should address his desire to use public property for his/her hot dog sales with the Health Departement monitering him closely. The health hazard involved with hot dog venders can cause many legal actions against the City Of Lake City, not to mention the trash conditions it will cause . My advice to the City of Lake City, Keep these hot dog stands on the side walks where they will draw people to that area in hopes of revitalizing those dying sales area's. You both know we have stood for Laws and Regulations to control even the most difficult conditions. We always allowed for good leaders to lead by exception. Senior Chief, i give you credit,you present a good argument. Inviting cival action upon the City of Lake City is not a way to get a hot dog stand permission to operate within the city limits. The hot dog stand operator should ask for a varience to the existing regulations, giving him/her a new avinue of redress, the varience request is a legal means of getting regulations reworded, or even abolished. Thank you Senion Chief. We need to back our Leaders in their deciosions, not try to find a way to distort their decisions. "

" Roasted will need to use park utilities! City may be able to contract to Roasted, giving the City funds to pay for cleanup after Roasted, Roasted is now legal and bound to the City to comply with Health regulations associated with operating a food counter out in the fly infested open park, making him liable to the State of Florida, along with the US health dapartment regulations. We need to be forever viginant of the diseases associated with open air food sales and distribution to the general public along with the many lawsuits that is generated from it. I once saw a lady taken to a hospital after taking a bite of a Ham Sandwich at an open counter sandwich sidewalk sales. It was found the sandwich was tainted with an airborn insect. One must be vigilant when buying from outdoor vendors. "

" This is getting addictive!

Roasted has a wonderful idea. He now wants the City to relocate his Hot Dog Stand.
He has decided the downtown vendors are against him using the Park for his Hot Dog Stand. He is making the right decision. I will help the Lake City Manager move him to any location he wishes except the Park by the Courthouse.

This has been a head splitting day, lets go home now. "

" Master Chief if you read the story and follow up story, you will notice that Mr Kadel did comply with all regulations placed by the city. His permit was denied based on an opinion that it wasn't fair to the down town businesses who have to pay high rent. That was not part of the regulations, just an opinion. Mr Kadel did readdress his request through the city council and they stood by Mr. Reynolds opinion; including Councilman George Ward, a business owner down town who should have not even offered an opinion since that represents a conflict of interest. As I am sure you would agree, Mr. Kadel should have every opportunity to continue up the chain of command, which in this case would be going to court. That is not civil disobedience. Quite to the contrary, it is the proper course of action when one feels they have been wronged. As you know, sometimes it is not only proper to question out leaders, it is our duty. As far as the health issue, Mr. Kadel would be subject to the health codes established and I am sure would be inspected on a regular basis, then it is buyer beware. Some of the best food I ever ate came off of a street vendor in Naples. You should give it a try! "

" You speak of Olustee Park, as if it were a sewage infested dirt street in Zimbabwe. If you get a meal to go at any restaurant ,is it vacuume packed in that paper bag when you walk out on the street? Are the drive through windows hermetically sealed so as not to introduce flies into the business? Have you really never heard of someone gettin food poisoning in a fancy establishment, or in their own home for that matter? Put you brain in gear, before you put your mouth in motion next time. "

" Case clearly adjudicated!
You clearly have three points, Olustee Park is not a sewage infested dirt street by any standards, cases of food poisning come from many places,
I do not want to get sideways here about your mouth, i wish to use the words "Freedom of speech" , with these words i extend my condolence to you for my brain not being in gear before my mouth as yours seem to be, "

" "Senior Chief,
Every point you have is well taken by me.
I can see problems arrising from the conflict between Mr Kadel's request to be allowed to have Mr Reynolds decision "Not to allow anyone" use of the Olustee Park as a place of buisness be over ruled.
Not only would it give him an unfair advantage but open the door for any and all vendors of all services to be allowed to follow his steps. As you and i Know, allowing a variance from an ordinance, whether it looks like conflict of intrest or not, the decision to place Mr Kadel elsewhere in the City is a choise that Mr Kadel will have to make. I see your point about civil disobedience, it certainely is his right to have his wrong be righted. You and I both know our duty is to question our leaders over decisions they publish, that reads like there may be a causual relations to, or conflict of interest involved. As a long standing critic of unfair leverage. I see unfair leverage being exercisied. I had a 1983 Cady. Brown, for a short time i travled in comfort and was the envy of all. I was so pleased with my new Cady. but, Shortly after buying it, it would not start. I ask the dealer to help me get it fixed because it was so new to the market mechanice did not know how to get it started, because of the complex systems, fuel, ignition, air box sensors, etc. That became a very expensive auto to put back in proper working order. The issue here is complications sometimes cause the public to wonder if the right thing is being done here. We have leaders in place to make those complicated decisions and we must support them. I to love those foods from vendors on boardwalks, street corners. As a RE Agent, i can see your Buyer beware remark will apply here,The Food and Drug Administration Inspectors would give him his legal rights if he satisfies all requirements. Senior Chief, I think you for your vigilance, I can see you earned the right to voice your openion, i wish to extend to you my heart felt thanks for your service to our country and your continuning to help guide our young leaders in these dificult times. You are a credit the our comunity. "

" I appears I have chosen a good day to take leave. To Master and Senior Chief's! I can see both your points, as you know i am a consultant. I do delibrate on occasions, I woud like to add a point here! What will be the result of Mr Kadel asking to move his Hot Dog Cart to The State or US Capitol to be able to support his family with the additionol foot traffic? I cant see any reason he should not be allowed to sell his hot dogs there. Its only the US Capitol or the State of Florida Capitol!

Outta here "

" Chief, First, it is a park not city hall. Second, if the State of Florida had procedures to be able to sell Hot Dogs on the State Capitol Grounds and Mr. Kadel follwed those procedures, then yes he should be able to sell his hot dogs on the steps of the capitol. I think you are still missing the point. The City of Lake City has an ordinance in place for individuals who wish to establish a business like Mr. Kadels. Mr Kadel met all of the requirements of that ordnance and was denied because a single person basically just didn't like it. "

" WHY DID MR. KATEL TELL HE HAD TO ORDER A HOT DOG STAND WHEN HE ALREADY HAD ONE. I SMELL SOMETHING ROTTON HERE. REMARKS DO NOT ADD UP HERE. MR. KADEL SHOULD PUBLISH THE FACTS AS THE RECORDS ARE. I BELIEVE IN BEING FAIR BUT A RIP OFF IS IN MOTION HERE. I HAVE THE PROOF USEING MR. KADELS OWN REMARKS AND STATEMENTS. TAKE A PICTURE OF MR. KADEL BEIGN INTERVIEWED WITH WITNESSES. NOW WE HAVE SOM FACTS TO WORK WITH, NOT A BUCH OF BIG MOUTHS WANTING TO FORCE THEIR WANTS UPON THE PEOPLE OF LAKE CITY.

CRITIC "

" Today is a day to give thanks for our many blessings.

As my mother use to tell me! "DONT MISS CHURCH, GOD WILL NOT LIKE IT, AND NEITHER WILL I",

ABOUT THE TOASTED HOT DOG STAND. I AM SURE IT WILL COME TO BE A GOOD THING FOR LAKE CITY.

AMEN "

" Maybe Mr Kadel bought another Hot Dog Cart because he wanted to operate two of them. "DUH".

P.S. I wish people would learn to use upper and lower case and perform spell checks before they post their input. Like a resume, your opinions lose impact when your statement are full of spelling errors.
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" My key board has some bad keys, i see your point, i think they get mine even though the spelling is bad, even thought upper or lower case type is used, i do believe my point is well givin. I am sorry if my spellign has upset you. "

" Lets eat hiot doges. I need gas donated for my Motor Home. "

" To; The King Has Spoken and Bill had his say. Is it worth our effort to revisit all this?

Maybe you both need to explain?

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" Bill, I am new to this, Who is Gina Reynolds?

I am a distant reader of this paper new way of presenting debates!

What does the City Managers wife have to do with Jim Pooles Chamber Of Commerce ? I have been reading all of this and wondering who is Master Chief, Senior Chife and Chief? Are they morons or am i trying to make sense out of nothing here?

As I read all of this I wonder what is this all about? "